Curse

Taurucis · Aug 17, 2007, 10:57 PM // 22:57

You might be making those fifty-odd dupers cry right now, but you're screwing over thousands of people.

This is the fourth time I've lagged out RIGHT before completing something. It's not just me. Everyone else is lagging but it's only me that's disconnecting.

In order to catch a few dupers you screw over many, many people with disconnects and collective days wasted.

And right before EotN too... I applaud your work -.-*

Davros Uitar · Aug 17, 2007, 11:34 PM // 23:34

Well I applaud their work even if you don't. Sure I would like the disconnect feature back too, but it's not worth spitting the dummy out and crying in the corner over. Protecting the game comes first, and fixing the feature comes second. If that means we suffer some inconvenience till that happens then so be it. I don't pay through the nose for my hours of enjoyment with this game, and it's amusing to see the number of people that start whining every time they feel they have suffered the slightest of injustices.

Taurucis · Aug 17, 2007, 11:37 PM // 23:37

Well, I had 2 hours of work wasted, what do you expect me to do? Kiss anet's feet?

GloryFox · Aug 17, 2007, 11:44 PM // 23:44

I have three words for the OP

"DEAL WITH IT"

I just can't believe how selfish some people are. WAAAAH! I want reconnects, WAAAAH! I want an internet provider that doesn't suck.

Fact is that exploit can be done again with reconnects and the game economy would get totally destroyed if they did not "fix" the problem.

Your saying, "hey I want to use that boat", and the harbor master is saying "when the boat leak is fixed you can use it". Then you reply by saying so what I don't care if I drown everyone.

I'm mean WTF is wrong with you man! YOU AND YOUR NEEDS ARE NOT IMPORTANT HERE THE GAME NEEDS ARE. When its fixed you can use reconnect but not before so once again.

"DEAL WITH IT!"

moonmonday · Aug 17, 2007, 11:45 PM // 23:45

Taurucis is right. To use a very old, very familiar quote:

'If a task is once begun, never leave it till its done. Be thy labor great or small, do it well or not at all.'

Anet should not muck about until they're sure what they are doing is not going to mess up the vast numbers of other people whom they're not trying to interfere with. The whole dupe issue is overblown and has been handled so terribly by Anet overall. So many more people have been inconvenienced and upset, chiefly because of Anet's poor planning or apparent lack of planning in some cases.

This is stuff that should have been handled within a year of the original release, tops, if it weren't included in the original shipped program. The fact that they're still struggling with it and, at the same time, causing upset for the players, is really not admirable. I like Anet and all, but I'm not going to defend them on this subject. This is entirely their responsibility, and they are not handling it very well.

holababe · Aug 17, 2007, 11:48 PM // 23:48

I've had much more than 2 hours wasted, but I don't complain. It's for the good of the community/the game in general.

Taurucis · Aug 17, 2007, 11:57 PM // 23:57

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Originally Posted by GloryFox

I have three words for the OP

"DEAL WITH IT"

Then give me 6 hours of my life back.

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Originally Posted by GloryFox

I just can't believe how selfish some people are. WAAAAH! I want reconnects, WAAAAH! I want an internet provider that doesn't suck.

It's not my ISP. Explain how I'm also on Ventrilo while Anet's disconnecting me.

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Originally Posted by GloryFox

Fact is that exploit can be done again with reconnects and the game economy would get totally destroyed if they did not "fix" the problem.

There was a very good solution posted by another guy. Just make a guy to trade Armbraces for Bracers, [b]ONE PER ACCOUNT[b]. Then the dupers would have thousands of useless items.

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Originally Posted by GloryFox

Your saying, "hey I want to use that boat", and the harbor master is saying "when the boat leak is fixed you can use it". Then you reply by saying so what I don't care if I drown everyone.

Well, let's say there's a blazing inferno in the harbor town.

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Originally Posted by GloryFox

I'm mean WTF is wrong with you man! YOU AND YOUR NEEDS ARE NOT IMPORTANT HERE THE GAME NEEDS ARE. When its fixed you can use reconnect but not before so once again.

Kissing Anet's butt will get everyone nowhere.

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Originally Posted by GloryFox

"DEAL WITH IT!"

moonmonday · Aug 18, 2007, 12:07 AM // 00:07

Being quiet and saying nothing when you see a problem solves absolutely nothing.

Even if you don't agree, he has a right to be upset about what has happened. And, as I stated above, this is a place where jumping to Anet's defence is overall a fairly ill-considered gesture. This is their responsibility, and they messed it up. I know several people who were affected by their bungling of this, and I was too. I wasn't very happy about that, and I had every right not to be.

By staying quiet and saying nothing, nothing changes and the people who may have experienced this might think that they were alone or that it was just them, not Anet. They also might think that it's somehow wrong to speak up and say 'I have a problem with this, and I'm not happy'. Just because we're not paying to play doesn't mean we didn't pay to get the game, and it doesn't mean we don't deserve good service and capable administration.

Leaping to the defence of a company that doesn't even require your efforts is largely pointless. They should be made aware of problems that exist, and then they should fix them. It's as simple as that.

mojave mango juice · Aug 18, 2007, 12:09 AM // 00:09

I can tell you, it's not Taurucis's connection. I was in her DoA group today, and right before the end, the whole group plus several of our allies lagfroze, and she (along with a few allies that were not in our group) disconnected. This isn't the first occasion this has happened. I've seen mass disconnects all over the place. I don't see how that can be the product of one person's lousy internet. We'll all be speaking normally on vent, while GW will be lagfreezing like crazy. We've been unable to complete missions and farms ever since reconnects were taken out. Mass disconnects of people all over the world with different internet connections...I can't see that being coincidence. I understand the need for fixing the bug with the reconnects, I'm trying to be patient, but the lag and disconnects are making gameplay difficult.

dargon · Aug 18, 2007, 12:20 AM // 00:20

One persons internet? Perhaps not, but remember, you and everyone else do NOT have an unbroken connection from your house to ANets servers, infact it would not surprise me in the least if your data packets travel through atleast 12 different machines before they even touch something owned by ANet/NCSoft. If even one of those machines on the end closer to ANet has an issue, that issue will be reflected in larger numbers of people than if it were simply your ISP. Just because it's not your ISP, doesn't automatically make it ANets fault.

jrk247 · Aug 18, 2007, 12:26 AM // 00:26

Yeah I'm also getting sick of this lag and mass err7's everytime there's a big lagspike, before with the reconnect feature I didn't even get dc'd/err7's as much as I do now. It's really annoying especially when you are trying to do something other than sitting around chatting. I hope this gets fixed soon especially with GW:EN coming out where there will be much more strain on the servers which means more err7's. And it's not an ISP problem or I wouldn't be able to be on vent or search the internet and if more then a few people get it at the same time that means it's a server problem not ISP problems.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryFox

I have three words for the OP

"DEAL WITH IT"

I just can't believe how selfish some people are. WAAAAH! I want reconnects, WAAAAH! I want an internet provider that doesn't suck.

Fact is that exploit can be done again with reconnects and the game economy would get totally destroyed if they did not "fix" the problem.

Your saying, "hey I want to use that boat", and the harbor master is saying "when the boat leak is fixed you can use it". Then you reply by saying so what I don't care if I drown everyone.

I'm mean WTF is wrong with you man! YOU AND YOUR NEEDS ARE NOT IMPORTANT HERE THE GAME NEEDS ARE. When its fixed you can use reconnect but not before so once again.

"DEAL WITH IT!"

Game needs would be having servers that run smoothly and don't lag every 5 seconds, it's not just one persons needs. lol, sorry but that's the worst flaming I've ever seen someone try, it's not just the OP getting disconnected and they aren't the only one getting lag. So if you must insist on trolling atleast know wtf you are talking about. lol crappy ISP, has nothing to do with an ISP if everyone on GW servers is getting the lag and being dc'd.

genofreek · Aug 18, 2007, 12:28 AM // 00:28

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There was a very good solution posted by another guy. Just make a guy to trade Armbraces for Bracers, [b]ONE PER ACCOUNT[b]. Then the dupers would have thousands of useless items.

THIS. THIS THIS THIS.

I lose my connection here and there -- due to a problem on my end that I now have the money to fix and am taking care of -- and the reconnect option on Anet's part saved me from having to redo quests quite a few times. It's a shame to see this go when I quoted a perfectly decent solution to the problem in this post.

Need more armbraces?

Make it three per account. Or five. Or ten. No normal player's gonna show up with 700+ of the things.

jrk247 · Aug 18, 2007, 12:35 AM // 00:35

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Originally Posted by genofreek

Need more armbraces?

Make it three per account. Or five. Or ten. No normal player's gonna show up with 700+ of the things.

I think it would actually be nice to make it 1 per character, it would make some places in NF more populated and more people cycling through the campaign and it would prevent people from getting mass amounts of Armbraces, I know it would make people take more then one char through NF but it would balance things out.

blackknight1337 · Aug 18, 2007, 01:45 AM // 01:45

Well heres my 2 cents.

I certainly can see why anet put an immediate stop to the dupers by removing the reconnect. But it needs to have at least some priority in getting fixed...and then reinstated, because its a fact that people are getting a ridiculous rate of disconnects, and its not their ISP's at fault. I have stopped vanquishing any sizable zones, doing urgoz/doa runs, and anything else that takes more than about an hour...because I simply have a 50/50 chance or worse of getting a d/c and wasting my time. At points I've simply shut the game down because i was getting 40k lag spikes every 2-5 min, and disconnecting as a result...it makes the game unplayable.

And to the person who suggested making only one armbrace a person...
I can see your point, though I do disagree with it. It may make it pointless to dupe armbraces, but what about ectos, black dyes or other valuables that its just as easy to dupe? It may not be as profitable, but it can certainly affect the prices of said item. Heck, you can dupe crystallines or other 100k + xxx ecto weapons/shields/whatever. The only way to stop duping was to remove the reconnect feature, or rollback and ban the dupers, which imo would have been a bad idea anyway.

So to sum up. Anet, please put some importance to re-instating the reconnect feature, and if possible to fixing the server lag that has been steadily growing in the past months. Otherwise, I think that adding the expansion will only multiply the server issues, and just make more problems for all of us.

I've decided to wait on buying Gw:en anyway, I start college like 3 days before it comes out, and i want to wait and see if its worth buying for armor/weapons, etc. But if these problems keep growing, I see no point in paying further money if i can't even play the game.

immortius · Aug 18, 2007, 01:55 AM // 01:55

It will be fixed when it is fixed. It is probably at least somewhat complex an issue to resolve, and they will want to be careful to ensure that it will not happen again.

A question for you - have you contact support about your lag/disconnect issue? If not, then you have waive the right to complain IMO.

MithranArkanere · Aug 18, 2007, 02:09 AM // 02:09

I can't care less about the reconnect. I've only seen it once. There was a blackout for a few seconds in my house.

They are on it. We lived without the reconnect for ages.

Hang on.

jrk247 · Aug 18, 2007, 02:17 AM // 02:17

Yeah but the lag/dc's have never been this bad before, hence why it would be nice to atleast get the reconnect feature up and running again so we can atleast play with the lag rather than play with the lag get dc'd and then not be able to reconnect.

FelixTheBang · Aug 18, 2007, 02:20 AM // 02:20

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

Well, I had 2 hours of work wasted, what do you expect me to do? Kiss anet's feet?

If you consider playing this game "work" then perhaps you need to re-evaluate your reasons for playing...

jrk247 · Aug 18, 2007, 02:28 AM // 02:28

Well some parts of this game (HM, DoA, FoW, UW, Urgoz, Deep) are work, where it actually takes brains to play. Yes get that, some games require you to think and work and cooperate unlike going to RA. So yes parts of this game are work. almost finishing a DoA quest and then getting DC'd is a waste of time/work.

genofreek · Aug 18, 2007, 02:41 AM // 02:41

Well, my thing is, if you make it 1 per account, then that's actually going to kill the number of people in certain areas of NF. Once they get their treasure, they won't be back.

That's why I said it shouldn't be limited to just one.

Maybe raise the number you can use per account above one, or make it like Factions' Amulet of Mists so that you can only get it once per character?